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September 9, 2019 - Former Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson

September 5, 2019 - Summer Wrap 2019

September 2, 2019 - SPECIAL The Contenders with Walter Mondale

August 29, 2019 - Words Matter Library: 56th Anniversary of the March on Washington

August 26, 2019 - ICYMI - How Russian Hackers & Trolls Helped Elect a President

August 22, 2019 - Words Matter Library: Battle for the Marble Palace

August 19, 2019 - Presidential Historian Douglas Brinkley

August 15, 2019 - Final Word: Toni Morrison

August 12, 2019 - The Threat of White Nationalist Terrorism

August 8, 2019 - ICYMI: Shannon Watts "Fight Like a Mother"

August 5, 2019 - Can Racism Win in 2020?

August 1, 2019 - Words Matter Library: The Ginsburg Tapes

July 29, 2019 - The Russia Attack and the FBI with James Baker

July 23, 2019 - Special: ICYMI - Mueller Preview with Jeremy Bash

July 22, 2019 - Race and Immigration in Trump's America

July 18, 2019 - Final Word: Barbara Jordan on Impeachment


July 15, 2019 - Mueller Testimony Preview with Jeremy Bash

July 11, 2019 - Words Matter Library: Four Friends by William D. Cohan

July 8, 2019 - The Latest from Trumpistan

July 4, 2019 - SPECIAL The Declaration of Independence read by John F. Kennedy


July 2, 2019 - Last week the Democrats held their first debates in Miami -- 20 candidates over 2 nights. Now that the dust has settled a bit Katie gets Joe's take on what happened and what – if anything has changed in the race for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination as a result.

Katie and Joe go through the candidates and talk about who broke out and which ones aren't going anywhere.


July 1, 2019 - Cindi Leive is the former editor-in-chief of both Glamour and Self magazines. She was the driving force behind barrier- breaking initiatives like “Glamour Women of the Year” and “The Girl Project” which supports girls’ education.

Cindi is the author and editor of numerous books including the 2018 New York Times  bestseller Together We Rise, about the organizing of the Women's March.

She has interviewed heads of state, Hollywood and fashion’s biggest personalities, and iconic leaders from all walks of life. Her many awards and honors include recognition from the White House, the United Nations, and dozens of media organizations. She is currently a senior fellow at the University of Southern California’s Annenberg Center.


June 26, 2019 - Welcome to a Special Edition of Words Matter – Joe previews the first Democratic debates held this week on MSNBC in Miami. 20 candidates, 5 moderators, 4 hours total.

The Moderators will be Lester Holt, Savannah Guthrie, Chuck Todd, Rachel Maddow and José Díaz-Balart. 

The first group of 10 appearing on Wednesday:

·      Sen. Cory Booker of New Jersey

·      Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts

·      Former Rep. Beto O'Rourke of Texas

·      Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota

·      Former Rep. John Delaney of Maryland

·      Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii

·      Former Housing Secretary Julián Castro

·      Rep. Tim Ryan of Ohio

·      New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio

·      Washington Gov. Jay Inslee

The second group of 10 appearing on Thursday:

·      Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont

·      Sen. Kamala Harris of California

·      Former Vice President Joe Biden

·      Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Indiana

·      Sen. Michael Bennet of Colorado

·      Author Marianne Williamson

·      Rep. Eric Swalwell of California

·      Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand of New York

·      Entrepreneur Andrew Yang

·      Gov. John Hickenlooper of Colorado.

To qualify, candidates had to receive more than 65,000 individual donations — including from 200 unique donors per state in at least 20 states  or at least 1 percent in three polls approved by the Democratic National Committee. More than a dozen candidates crossed both thresholds, with at least 20 hitting at least one of them.


June 24, 2019 - This week Katie and Joe sit down with award winning author and the Chief White House Correspondent for the New York Times, Peter Baker.

Peter has covered 4 presidents as a reporter – Presidents Trump and Obama for the New York Times and George W. Bush and Bill Clinton with the Washington Post.

He is also the author of 5 books including Obama: The Call of History,Days of Fire: Bush and Cheney in the White House and Inside the Impeachment and Trial of William Jefferson Clinton 


June 20, 2019 - Katie and Joe discuss the legacy of outgoing White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders. Joe explains how damaging Sanders decision to end the White House press briefings has been and what is needed from the next Press Secretary to repair that damage.


June 17, 2019 - Would Congressional impeachment hearings have the same impact as they did during Watergate? Washington Post media critic Margaret Sullivan talks to Katie and Joe about how the media landscape has changed and how it is far more difficult to have an impact with voters and the American people.


Barbara Jordan was a lawyer educator politician and a leader of the civil rights movement a Democrat and Houston native. Jordan was the first African-American elected to the Texas Senate after Reconstruction and the first southern African-American woman elected to the United States House of Representatives.

On July 25th 1974 Congresswoman Jordan delivered a televised opening statement as the House Judiciary Committee began consideration of articles of impeachment against President Richard Nixon. It is regarded by historians as one of the greatest speeches in all of American history. Congresswoman Jordan offered a passionate and powerful defense of the United States Constitution. A document, she noted, did not include people like her when it was written and completed in 1787.

Congresswoman Jordan also provided thoughtful and well documented explanations of our system of checks and balances which were designed to stop any politician from abusing their power. She stuck to the facts and the law and noted the seriousness and the solemn duty she and her fellow members were about to undertake. As she quoted extensively from the founders Congresswoman Jordan explained that those who had drafted and ratified the Constitution anticipated actions like Nixon's and had created the check of impeachment to guard against such executive overreach and abuse of office. So this week we give Congresswoman Barbara Jordan the Final Word.