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June 3, 2019 - When Special Counsel Robert Mueller spoke after his nearly two year investigation, he mentioned the Russia attack on our electoral system to start and end his remarks. Katie and Joe sit down with Professor Kathleen Hall Jamison author of Cyberwar: How Russian Hackers and Trolls Helped Elect a President Professor Jamieson is the Elizabeth Ware Packard Professor of Communication at the University of Pennsylvania’s Annenberg School for Communication, the Director of the Annenberg Public Policy Center, and Program Director of the Annenberg Retreat at Sunnylands.

Professor Jamieson details exactly how and why the Russians cyberwar tipped the election in favor of Donald Trump.


May 29, 2019 - Bob Mueller speaks -- Katie and Joe sit down with Professor Kathleen Hall Jamison author of Cyberwar: How Russian Hackers and Trolls Helped Elect a President Professor Jamieson is the Elizabeth Ware Packard Professor of Communication at the University of Pennsylvania’s Annenberg School for Communication, the Director of the Annenberg Public Policy Center, and Program Director of the Annenberg Retreat at Sunnylands. Professor Jamieson explains how and why the Russians tipped the election in favor of Donald Trump.


May 27, 2019 - Donald Trump is 0-2 in his battle to stonewall Congress. Anne Milgram joins Joe and Katie to explain why it might get a whole lot worse for the Trump Administration. Anne began her career as an assistant district attorney in the legendary Manhattan District Attorney’s office. In 2001, she went to work in the criminal section of the United States Department of Justice's civil rights division, where she rose to become the lead federal prosecutor in the nation for human trafficking crimes.

During her time at DOJ, Anne was awarded the Department of Justice Special Commendation for Outstanding Service and the Director’s Award.

From 2007 to 2010 Anne served as the 57th Attorney General of New Jersey from 2007 to 2010

She currently serves as a law professor and distinguished scholar in residence at New York University School of Law and is the co-host of the CAFE Insider podcast with Preet Bharara.


May 23, 2019 - Last week was the 65th Anniversary of the Supreme Court decision in Brown v. Board of Education. This week the final word goes to the woman behind the case. Linda Brown was in the third grade when her father Oliver tried to enroll her in Sumner Elementary School in Topeka Kansas. Oliver and his daughter Linda were denied admission to the school that day. The year was 1950. Sumner was an all-white school. And Linda attended the school for black children across town. Separate but equal ruled the day in America. The moment Linda was turned away, it started a series of events that toppled the idea of separate but equal and led her all the way to the steps of the Supreme Court of the United States. Linda's father was the named plaintiff in the landmark case Brown v. Board of Education.

This week, we give education pioneer and civil rights icon Linda Brown, the final word.


May 20, 2019 - He is the REAL author of The Art of the Deal -- Tony Schwartz joins Joe for an in-depth interview about how dangerous Tony thinks Donald Trump is as Commander-n-Chief. And Tony tells Joe the one thing he thinks Trump may leave the White House to avoid.

And don't miss Joe's Shadow White House Briefing weekdays on Twitter until @PressSec decides to brief the White House Press Corps.


May 16, 2019 - It has been more than two months since White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders has briefed the White House Press Corps. But journalists and the American have questions and those questions need to be answered. . . .and so former White House Press Secretary Joe Lockhart is stepping up. Joe explain why he will be hosting a daily Shadow White House Press Briefing and how you can ask him questions on Twitter.


May 13, 2019 - This week, Joe talks to Washington wiseman Ron Klain about the Trump Administration and their Republican allies on Capitol Hill are now waging asymmetrical constitutional warfare.

Ron is a distinguished attorney and policy maker who began his career as a Supreme Court clerk for Justice Bryon White. Ron has served in senior positions at the White House, the Department of Justice and on Capitol Hill. He is a veteran of 7 – yes SEVEN presidential campaigns. And in October 2014, he was appointed by President Obama to serve as the United States Ebola response coordinator.


May 09, 2019 - This week, Speaker Nancy Pelosi said what many have thought for weeks, months and even years: the United States government is in a constitutional crisis.

Former federal prosecutor Mimi Rocah explains to Joe exactly why.

Mimi is Pace Law's Distinguished Fellow in Criminal Justice and a Legal Analyst for MSNBC and NBC News. From February 2001 until October 2017, Mimi was an Assistant United States Attorney in the Southern District of New York.  As an AUSA, Mimi successfully prosecuted and tried numerous cases including several high-profile Organized Crime cases. During her career in SDNY, Mimi held a number of leadership positions including, Chief of the Organized Crime and Racketeering Unit, as well as Chief of the General Crimes and Narcotics Units for the SDNY.


May 6, 2019 - Katie and Joe talk with award winning journalist and best-selling author, Mark Leibovich about Washington in the Age of Trump, Impeachment and the NFL. Mark is the chief national correspondent for The New York Times Magazine. Among other books, Mark is the author of the blockbuster best seller This Town Two Parties and a Funeral-Plus, Plenty of Valet Parking!-in America's Gilded Capital as well as Big Game: The NFL in Dangerous Times


May 2, 2019 - This week we put The Corrosion of Conservatism: Why I Left the Right, by Max Boot into the Words Matter Library. Washington Post Columnist Max Boot details his ideological journey from a “movement” conservative to a man without a party, beginning with his political coming-of-age as a young émigré from the Soviet Union, enthralled with the National Review and the conservative intellectual tradition of Russell Kirk and F. A. Hayek. Against this personal odyssey, Max simultaneously traces the evolution of modern American conservatism, jump-started by Barry Goldwater’s canonical The Conscience of a Conservative, to the rise of Trumpism and its gradual corrosion of what was once the Republican Party.